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Freddie
Posted: Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:17:07 PM

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As part of my breakfast ritual I take a 25mg B12 tablet and a cod liver oil capsule. I'm always reading great claims about how fish oil aids activity, but I'd like to hear from other Buggers about what they take (if anything) and whether fish oil and B12 is part of their arsenal. If there are any supplement experts on the BF, I'd be gratefull for your input. Cheers!
johnnyh
Posted: Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:28:15 PM

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Freddie wrote:
As part of my breakfast ritual I take a 25mg B12 tablet and a cod liver oil capsule. I'm always reading great claims about how fish oil aids activity, but I'd like to hear from other Buggers about what they take (if anything) and whether fish oil and B12 is part of their arsenal. If there are any supplement experts on the BF, I'd be gratefull for your input. Cheers!


I have knee issues and take glucosamine sulphate 1000mg tablets and high strength cod liver oil tablets-I was taking 500mg but a nurse told me to up my doseage-they seem tom be helping, that along with the physio.
AdamT
Posted: Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:53:58 PM

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Despite avoiding even aspirin I'm considering glucosamine because I've heard you'll only absorb whatever is necessary and the rest gets flushed away. Is this correct? Does it really help? I think I've got a slightly dodgy hip which I can feel during longer distances, hopefully glucosamine would help with this.

My current favourite "supplement" is peanut butter sandwiches.
Lozzer
Posted: Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:57:41 PM

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I too take glucosamine, mainly for my knees but also general getting old(er) joint suppleness. I also have some all round vitamin tabs I keep for occassions of illness when you have to force yourself to eat anything, just to keep my vitamin levels up. I think the supplement i take most of is tomato ketchup, I do seem to go through a lot.
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Posted: Sunday, February 07, 2010 7:37:26 PM

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Im also on glucosamine 1000mg tablets and cod liver oil tablets. Too early to tell if they are/will make a difference but they wont do any harm and there cheap so why not. Theres plenty of experts who offer proof they do and i`ve heard good things from other runners. I seem to remember it takes a few weeks for the glucosmaine to even start working so its a long term comitment needed.

Bernie Bear
Posted: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:10:38 AM

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Hi all,

From what I've read, Glucosamine is generally good, with no side-effects. The same can't be said for other supplements. Vitamin A, for instance, is very bad for you (vitamin A toxicity may result. This can lead to nausea, jaundice, irritability, anorexia (not to be confused with anorexia nervosa, the eating disorder), vomiting, blurry vision, headaches, hairloss, muscle and abdominal pain and weakness, drowsiness and altered mental status.), although if you only overdose on vitamin A by eating too many carrots, the o/d will come out by turning bright orange!
If you're eating a varied diet, you shouldn't need to be taking vitamin supplements unless there is a specific reason (e.g., Iron for excessive menstrual bleeding)
I can remember one guy (trying to win the prize for first man-powered flight - a few years ago) taking one particular vitamin (sorry, can't remember which one) whose only documented use was improved fertility - in rats!
Dan
Posted: Monday, February 08, 2010 11:09:02 AM

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I also take Glucosamine 1000mg and Cod liver oil 1000mg

I've also in the last 2 weeks started to take 1000mg Vit c & 15 mg of Zinc to ensure i stay healthy for my upcoming races. During my research into recommended dosages i found that an athlete(not sure if i qualify?) should take 3000mg of Vit C a day, which seems quite excessive
Bernie Bear
Posted: Monday, February 08, 2010 12:28:45 PM

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Dan wrote:
During my research into recommended dosages i found that an athlete(not sure if i qualify?) should take 3000mg of Vit C a day, which seems quite excessive

Who recommended that?
Dan
Posted: Monday, February 08, 2010 2:12:54 PM

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Bernie

I typed in Vitamin C requirements for athletes into Google and found 4 or 5 differnet sites that all recommended 3000mg a day.

As already mentioned i'm taking 1000mg which is already 1667% of the RDA, After falling ill just before Nottingham Marathon last September i'm taking no chances with Grantham and Reading coming around the corner, I will probably reduce my intake afterwards
Bernie Bear
Posted: Monday, February 08, 2010 2:43:22 PM

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Dan wrote:
Bernie

I typed in Vitamin C requirements for athletes into Google and found 4 or 5 differnet sites that all recommended 3000mg a day.

As already mentioned i'm taking 1000mg which is already 1667% of the RDA, After falling ill just before Nottingham Marathon last September i'm taking no chances with Grantham and Reading coming around the corner, I will probably reduce my intake afterwards


Hi Dan,

My "googling" produced
1/ "The second study concluded that blood vitamin C levels decreased in athletes ingesting 100 mg per day. A dietary intake of 300 mg/day maintained blood levels of the vitamin"
2/ "Levels within the body that are 1500 mg or less will result in no urinary excretion of vitamin C (13). As levels increase above 1500 mg the reabsorption efficiency of the kidneys decreases. Thus, body pool levels from 1500 to 3000 mg relate to tissue saturation of the vitamin"
Reference:http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Antioxidants/VitaminC.html
What this says to me is:
1/ You (as an athlete) should be taking 300mg per day (Three hundred)
2/ The figure of 3000mg (Three thousand) is the level at which your tissues will be SATURATED with the vitamin.

Fortunately, Vit C is soluble, so you can dispose of it in the time-honoured fashion. However, forcing your kidneys to dispose of 700mg per day can't be doing them any good.
Sisyphus
Posted: Monday, February 08, 2010 6:37:40 PM
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I'm a great believer in the effects of vit.C. I'm aware that there are many arguments against its efficacy, but personal experience over a long period seems to point to it being a worthwhile supplement.
I've been taking high doses of vit.C daily for well over 20 years. Currently on 2000mg/day. Have never had any kidney problems; possibly due to the fact that my running regime requires a lot of fluid intake, ensuring that the vit.C is diluted and less of a problem for the kidneys.

A thing to possibly note about vit.C is the need to maintain a constant dosage, due to our inability to actually store it in our body. A sudden stop in the supply can bring on a "rebound" effect, resulting in a rapid drop in immunity from colds/infection etc.

I also take a daily cod liver oil + glucosamine capsule, as well as a multi-vitamin tablet.

respectthestupidity
Posted: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:17:30 AM

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Glucosamine for me.
Bernie Bear
Posted: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:41:41 AM

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Sisyphus wrote:
I'm a great believer in the effects of vit.C. I'm aware that there are many arguments against its efficacy, but personal experience over a long period seems to point to it being a worthwhile supplement.
I've been taking high doses of vit.C daily for well over 20 years. Currently on 2000mg/day. Have never had any kidney problems; possibly due to the fact that my running regime requires a lot of fluid intake, ensuring that the vit.C is diluted and less of a problem for the kidneys.

A thing to possibly note about vit.C is the need to maintain a constant dosage, due to our inability to actually store it in our body. A sudden stop in the supply can bring on a "rebound" effect, resulting in a rapid drop in immunity from colds/infection etc.

I also take a daily cod liver oil + glucosamine capsule, as well as a multi-vitamin tablet.


So that's 2000mg of Vitamin C +whatever is in your multi-vitamin + whatever you actually eat?

70 mg = Orange
25 mg = small tomato
25 mg = small baked potato
55 mg = kiwi fruit
60 mg = 3/4 cup of orange juice

US research found that "urinary excretion increases rapidly when individual doses (of Vitamin C) exceed 500mg" http://health.learninginfo.org/vitaminc.htm
BatRunt
Posted: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:54:23 AM

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but doesn't vit C also increase the bodys ability to store/absorb iron?

personally i take glycosamine and vit C and Zinc.

its the zinc bit that actually has a greater affect on strengthening your immune system. this was found as part of a study into ME and how to help people with it avoid long setbacks due to colds.
Sisyphus
Posted: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:14:39 PM
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Bernie Bear wrote:
Sisyphus wrote:
I'm a great believer in the effects of vit.C. I'm aware that there are many arguments against its efficacy, but personal experience over a long period seems to point to it being a worthwhile supplement.
I've been taking high doses of vit.C daily for well over 20 years. Currently on 2000mg/day. Have never had any kidney problems; possibly due to the fact that my running regime requires a lot of fluid intake, ensuring that the vit.C is diluted and less of a problem for the kidneys.

A thing to possibly note about vit.C is the need to maintain a constant dosage, due to our inability to actually store it in our body. A sudden stop in the supply can bring on a "rebound" effect, resulting in a rapid drop in immunity from colds/infection etc.

I also take a daily cod liver oil + glucosamine capsule, as well as a multi-vitamin tablet.


So that's 2000mg of Vitamin C +whatever is in your multi-vitamin + whatever you actually eat?

70 mg = Orange
25 mg = small tomato
25 mg = small baked potato
55 mg = kiwi fruit
60 mg = 3/4 cup of orange juice

US research found that "urinary excretion increases rapidly when individual doses (of Vitamin C) exceed 500mg" http://health.learninginfo.org/vitaminc.htm


It's Ok, I don't eat any fresh fruit or veg ;-)
Bernie Bear
Posted: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:21:39 PM

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BatRunt wrote:
but doesn't vit C also increase the bodys ability to store/absorb iron?

Yes, Vit C helps with iron absorption. My point, all along, has been that a RDA of 100mg is recommended for Joe Public, with 300mg for athletes. 300mg is attainable with nothing more than your "5-a-day". You don't need to pump yourself full of extra Vit C.

However, Vit C is not the most worrying vitamin, any excess (and once you go over 3000mg in your system, that's any excess over your RDA) can be flushed out through the kidneys. Other vitamins and supplements (Vitamin A, for example) CAN'T be flushed out of the system, and WILL cause problems.
Freddie
Posted: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:22:59 PM

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Thanks everyone for the input so far. What I'd like to hear is whether people have noticed significant changes on their wellbeing after starting to take Fish oil capsules. I haven't noticed anything yet - does it take weeks, months, decades to benefit you?!?

I get plenty of Vitamin C in fruit and juice, although I have to dilute the juice in case of stomach acid. That would hurt like hell during jogging, and I already get enough stitches!
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